Well isn`t that special, more documents confirming what we already knew, Gordon Campbell is an Habitual Liar....I don`t know what the big buzz is about these latest documents, we knew that Finance officials were in negotiations with the feds already, in fact BC business magazine in their December/2008 edition were advising and confirming BC`s HST sell out......
Carole Taylor left the BC Liberals over the HST, Ontario announced they were going to the HST in February/2009.....
Jack Mintz wrote over 2 years ago about the negative job numbers associated with the HST, how wages would fall, its perceived benefits, pro or con wouldn`t be seen for at least a decade, even then the plus/minus debate on the HST would be difficult to prove either way, Jack Mintz wrote about tens of thousands of lost jobs every years for 5 years if the HST was implemented....
We here at the Straight Goods reported what Jack Mintz wrote, the HST would cost the Province revenue and thousands of jobs, the Vancouver Sun has been doing a slow burn HST promotion with 2 un-authored editorials promoting the HST in the last week, today Bill Good got in on the act about the HST, you know, the usual bullshit(now proven bullshit)....Like where will Government get the bribe money from, what services are to be cut if the $1.6 billion is returned, how great the HST is....
Gordon Campbell and Colin Hansen dont need to answer questions over this latest document release, we knew they were liars, it`s the media who needs to answer questions, the Vancouver Sun editorial board needs to answer questions, like why are they promoting lies, promoting a tax policy that is hampering the economy during a world wide recession, why are they lying about the benefits, the entire HST truth has been there for all to see, negative affect on jobs, negative government revenue, harmful to consumer confidence......
How on earth can Colin Hansen and Gordon Campbell deliberately hurt the BC economy on pure ideology.
You can`t take $2 billion dollars out of the B.C. economy every year without substantial job losses, the only benficiary with the HST are the profitable mining and gas industries, more money added to their fat bottom line, beholden to share holders.......
I read Bill T and Laila Yuile`s take on this story, there is definate outrage, a release of emotions over this gotcha moment, but don`t you people see what is going on here......
CKNW has had Michael Campbell in for Crusty Clark this week, Gordo`s brother has talked about ......Unsustainable health care, unsustainable pensions, unsustainable education, over-paid workers.....Gordon Campbell`s brother Michael Campbell has been put on the air waves to beat the privatization drum, private health care, private education, no Canada pension, a drip drip drip of Gordon Campbell propaganda is being spewed by CKNW......CKNW with Gord MacDonald, Sean Leslie, Bill Good, Crusty Clark, Adler all the upper managers have their marching orders....
They have forgiven Gordon Campbell, the Vancouver Sun has ran 2 un-authored editorials defending the HST and the actions of Gordon Campbell, they are defending the job losses, defending harming the economy, they are defending a brutal hurtful tax policy because of advertising dollars and ideology..........
What now for the traiterous Canwest Global Gordo propaganda machine, are they going to retract all the lauding editorials, will they flip flop, will they scold themselves for being so stupid, will they do any indepth job loss analysis, will they report what Jack Mintz wrote about the HST 3 years ago, about the job losses, higher consumer prices, will they report that there will be no way to quantify any HST benefit.
I think you know the answer to that question already friends, I wouldn`t expect Canwest Global or CKNW to bite the hand that feeds it, there should be headlines at the Vancouver Sun and The Province....
The headlines should read....."Gordon Campbell lied to the media, played us for fools", ......
That is what the headline should say, it won`t, they made their choice, what you will hear now will be, the NDP are bad and won`t remove the tax so stick with the Liberals.
Lets be clear on the time lines and facts, BC Business magazine wrote in their December 2008 monthly ...The wrote about how great the HST was and how BC must adopt it.....
Mcguinty announces Ontario is going to the HST in January 2009.......
They have debate in the Ontario legislature, yet Colin Hansen wants you to believe that BC Never even thought about the HST until after the election.....
Saskatchewan had the HST and a incoming NDP Government removed the HST......
New Foundland and the Atlantic Canada had job losses and consumer prices increased with zero quantifiable benefit from the HST(1996 onwards)...Big business never left B.C. for Newfoundland
Quebec has had the HST since 1991 (their own version).....Quebec hasn`t wooed any business away from Ontario, the HST never hampered Ontario with Quebec having it and them not...
Jack Mintz wrote extensively on the HST, past experience and the real life experience here in B.C. and Ontario has confirmed the job losses, confirmed the lack of consumer confidence, confirmed a spike in the underground economy a spike in cross border shopping and the Vancouver Sun and The Province hasn`t got the balls to put a headline up stating....
"Gordon Campbell plays media for fools, HST is a total scam, charge the B.C. Legislature, this can`t stand"
I am afraid not folks, the Vancouver Sun, The Province, Les Leyne and the Victoria Times Colonist, CKNW, they will put out more un-authored editorials espousing the benefits of the HST and reminding us of the dark ages of the 90s, what`s tearing up contracts, selling railways, adulterous affairs, lie after lie, broken promise after broken and re write laws every year, failed energy plans, economic disaster on every level........
Colin Hansen and Gordon Campbell may be habitual liars but, but they are Vancouver media`s liars, and that makes it okay...
"Recall in the Fall"
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I agree wholeheartedly with you on your observations Grant.
I think that there is one more issue that needs to be addressed.
On Jon McComb's show this afternoon a caller brought up the "not on our radar" answer to any reporters that asked Hansen or Campbell about whether they were in negotiations with Harper and Flaherty on implementing the HST. He rightfully stated that this was not an answer to the question, but a response that had no relevance, just innuendo. It is a perceived response that can be misconstrued as a denial, but would probably be considered non-commital by a court of law.
We need some reporter that still cares about his craft to ask both of these men point blank as to whether they were in negotiations with Ottawa before the last election to implement the HST. This reporter must demand a "yes" or "no" response. Only then will we have a recordable, succinct answer to this question.
The documents released today seem to indicate that the BC Liberal Party was in negotiations with Ottawa, but unless we can get a definitive response from either or both of these guys, they can continue to provide elusive and cryptic responses to a straight forward question. They must give a "yes" or "no" answer to the question. Nothing else will suffice. If they refuse to answer the question directly, then one must assume that they must have something to hide.
Cam
Here's Michael Smyth who was replacing Bill Good interviewing Colin Hansen.
Bill Good Show w Michael Smyth - Thur Aug 13, 2009 - Hour 3 (MP3) (8.0 MB)
http://emedia.cknw.com/Podcasts/1116/Bill_Good_Show_-_Thur_Aug_13_-_Hour_3.mp3
Notice that Hansen says that he first started talking to the Feds at the END of May.
I think that most of us in the know should start rebutting the fallacy that this money (HST) will pay for things like Hospitals, Health Care, Education etc.
It was Gordon Campbell and his lackies that took that money out of circulation when they GAVE AWAY BC Rail. When they dismantled Hydro and when they privatized BC Ferries.
The system was not broken before they meddled with it. All they have done is give big business and the mining industry a free ride at the expense of people who cannot afford to carry their burden.
I don't have the benefit of radio or TV so I don't get to call in on these subjects. But maybe some of the people reading this could do that. It's time to tell the masses what really happened.
Cam, as far as I'm concerned, the ONLY thing that is acceptable from both Hansen and Campbell now is - show us the documents, NO redactions. Not likely to happen.
So...then they must resign. Both of them. The last election was built, run, and won on verifiable lies. That ought to make it null and void - and every contract entered into since then, the same. One might think that big business would think twice about doing business with liars - but that doesn't seem to even slow them down! To think the Big Six actually defended this in court. One has to wonder how much they knew - and when they knew it as well.
To my way of thinking they are both beyond disgusting, doing nothing but shame this province, and those who voted for them - mistakenly or otherwise...working hand in hand with the federal government as they did. All involved politicians, and their back-room minions shame this country. Let's hope this is remembered both federally and provincially come election time, especially as Harper is now trying to frame the next ballot in hopes of a majority.
Time to inflict a gender change then send them all to Afghanistan.
And here I was worried about the public losing its anger before Recalls started....I should have known better. Just leave it up to the buffoons in Victoria. Everything that they were warned about happening if they went ahead with this insane tax is happening and it's all self-inflicted. Can't wait to get rid of them.
Recall in the Fall!
Recall can't start soon enough in Parksville/Qualicum
The constituents in this area are pissed and ready to sign Ron Cantelon off. On that note I was e-mailing back and forth with an assistant to the organising committee in our area and told them if this recall was not started in November i would be taking that cause up myself. the only response i got from them was that i would not have the support of the Refed Party as they follow direction from Bill Vanderzalm. Talk about undemocratic saying they wouldn't support me. Who the hell do these people think they are ? Oh yeah they are the party trying to boost their profile through this anti- hst process. They lost my respect very quickly.
Anon 10:13 AM
You don't need the permission from anyone to recall a MLA. It can be done on your own. You need some sort of organizational skills ans a financial secretary with assistant. I'm pretty sure cherylb can give you some pointers. In your area it will not be as hard as it will in the Cariboo and Northern ridings as the weather is a little warmer there. You have another thing going for you. In your riding you have a fellow that conducted the only successful recall campaign in history. You can find his name in the Elections BC website. I'm sure if you asked uestions you would get some answers.
As far as the REFED Party is concerned they can take direction from anyone they want. There a plenty of people out there with the will to help.
If there is anything I can do to help you, please post it at http://howbadtherecord.blogspot.com and mark it "not for publication" I'm a little busy right now but I will gwt back to you ASAP on any uestions yoyu may have.
Sorry for the errors. Sticky keys.
That, the HST went to Ottawa, at the speed of light...I am not the least surprised to hear, Harper, Campbell and Hansen, were in cahoots on the HST, as far back as January. The BC Railroad, wasn't going to be sold either. Campbell, Hansen and their, faux Liberal government, has been, nothing other than, a litany of lies and deceit. They should all be, run out of town, on the BC Rail, that is, if we still had it.
So it comes back to the MSM being bought and paid for. This is the real fight Gordos/Hansens are a dime a dozen.
The way I see it Michael Campbell, liar, worst investment 'manager' in history, do-the-opposite-to-what-he-says, will actually be helping Recall and us with his THREATS of 'privatization, private health care, private education, no Canada pension - (corrupt Harper's decision, not scumbags' Campbell 1 or Campbell 2), and his liar bro's drip, drip, drip of propoganda'! Nice to see them telling people what they will do which is exactly the opposite of what the people want. Hope all the people who don't know what is really going on because of the corrupt media tune in to Michael Campbell whenever he is on. He will surely enrage them with his propaganda!
Thanks CKNW and all you low-lifes for helping our HST cause and fight for democracy.
REVOLT, GENERAL STRIKE, RECALL come to mind as the corrupt, absolutely corrupt media continues to spew nothing but lies and trash.
Another good day for my friends in small business - very happy to do cash deals to do major renos on my home IF and when I go ahead with it of course! I would feel so good going underground where the mob can't steal from us. It's also good for the economy, more money for honest, hard-working people to spend.
If anyone is interested in a little insightful article on how governments go about changing legislation and the time it takes, go to http://the canadian.org and read Rafe Mair's experience during his time in office. His rendition of timelines sound much more plausible than those of Hansen, Campbell and any of their apologists.
As a matter of fact there are some other interesting articles on BC Hydro and IPPs on this sight as well.
Cam
The information that wasn't redacted was very enlightening to say the least and coupled with statements made by Hansen and Campbell since the last election leave very little doubt that they have been lying through their teeth.
I think that this also raises another interesting bit of information regarding the MSM. Imagine, they had to pass the hat in order to scrape up roughly $800 to pay for the FOI request. Are their respective beancounters so stringent that none of them could have have gone it alone. Maybe this explains why our newscasts and printed reports contain little more than press releases issued by the PAB. What ever happened to getting the scoop on their competitors?
At this rate a scrum at the Legislature will consist of Keith Baldry and cardboard cutouts of a few known reporters strategically placed with monogramed cardboard microphones extended towards the politician as he regurgitates his/her PAB prepared spiel. Keith will then lob a few softball questions at the politician, probably prescreened by his/her PAB handler, to which said politician will give rehearsed responses. All the media outlets will be given a copy of the exchange, and to make it look as if there was a real scrum each outlet will be allowed to have one of their reporters do a voiceover of Keith's question to make it look as if they really had someone there.
Finally, I would like to than Colin Hansen for pissing away $780,000.00 of taxpayers' money on the HST mailers that are now being shredded. Maybe Margaret McDermid could suggest, at the next cabinet meeting, that the comptroller general be brought in to assess how the finance department spends its budget in the same manner as she did for the Vancouver School Board.
Cam
Cam
...and who was the Campbell selected benefactor of our wasted $780,000.00? A printer owned by a Liberal...or close friend crony Liberal campaign donater?! Thanks for the number. Last I heard the liar guppy Hansen 'had no idea what it cost'.
Jean
Campbell and Hansen, get millions of dollars from big business, to favor them, that, we have all seen. Hansen, is somewhat similar to Martyn Brown, he is brain dead, when he chooses to be. It makes me shudder, at the expense accounts, of the BC Liberals. Chomp, chomp Chong, chomped her way, through $6.000, of fine dining. Campbell and Hansen, are said to have the, highest cost of security, in all of Canada.
As far as the RCMP, are concerned. They will not step in to do anything, about, Campbell's corrupt sale of the BC Rail, nor anything else pertaining, to governing officials misdeeds. They could lose their contract with BC. There is nothing, Campbell doesn't control. Anyone opposing him, has always, ended up with one of, Campbell and Hansen's famous vendetta's.
In response to Anonymous and to set the record straight.
I am the regional organizer for the Parksville-Qualicum electoral district which is Region 4.
Whomever, it was you spoke to a) does not have the authority to make a statement of that nature and b) is not privy to the planning of a recall campaign in Parksville-Qualicum.
Also a recall begun in Nov and through December is destined for failure.
Our biggest asset during the initiative campaign was the ability to set up signing locations. That will not be an option for the six weeks prior to Christmas since the locations we set up our signing booths in will not be available to us during that time.
It is the busiest time of the year and as such will be difficult to get reliable volunteers the potential for volunteers to have a change of heart is greatly increased during the Christmas shopping period (the six weeks leading up to Christmas).
There are other considerations also which would adversely affect a recall during that period!
As for your comment of Refed not helping that is just simply untrue. The Refed party is committed to having this Tax repealed and if recall is the way to go then they are 100% behind it. If you have questions in that regard then please contact party president Dennis Shaw 250 758 2089 or go to http://www.refedbc.com
As for following directions of Bill Vander Zalm. Bill was the SUCCESSFUL proponent of the initiative (no one else in BC stepped forward to take up the challenge at the time), it follows that working with a winning strategy is an obvious choice, especially when we have the infrastructure already in place to move forward.
I have over 13 captains and 485 volunteer canvassers on file from the four mid island electoral districts all of whom will be called upon to assist in a recall action in Parksville-Qualicum.
Personally I would prefer to move forward into a recall action knowing that I have the assets in place to help us succeed.
We learned a great deal from the initiative petition campaign, which will make us that much more effective for recall.
Any recalls MUST be successful.
Terry Hand Fight HST RO Mid Island District 4
I have included my name and the fight HST website since I do not have a profile on this board
Anonymous said...
"Recall can't start soon enough in Parksville/Qualicum
The constituents in this area are pissed and ready to sign Ron Cantelon off. On that note I was e-mailing back and forth with an assistant to the organising committee in our area and told them if this recall was not started in November i would be taking that cause up myself. the only response i got from them was that i would not have the support of the Refed Party as they follow direction from Bill Vanderzalm. Talk about undemocratic saying they wouldn't support me. Who the hell do these people think they are ? Oh yeah they are the party trying to boost their profile through this anti- hst process. They lost my respect very quickly".
Terry Hand
I agree that it would be pointless to start any recall campaign before the new year. People's attentions will be on too many other things over the Christmas season simply because family always comes first.
I understand that a recall campaign in a given riding will be given a voter's list from the last election. This should be invaluable to the canvassers in that they can quickly determine if the person in front of them are really on this list. There were quite a few signatures that were discarded on the FightHST petition, and I believe that this was an attempt to sabotage the initiative. I have no doubt that pro BC Liberal types initiated their own campaign to deliberately sign in ridings that they did not reside, which was much easier to accomplish in the urban areas, but not impossible in the rural areas as well.
Recall will be tough to accomplish, but if there was enough support in all 85 ridings to further the petition to extinguish the HST to the next phase, then I believe that recall can be equally effective.
May you in your riding and those in many others have nothing but success. Your efforts, to date, are to be commended.
Cam
A bit late to the party but...
For me, its not the tax itself but the fact that we have a person in charge of British Columbia who has at best mislead the people numerous times, or at worst is plainly dishonest and has lied to the people numerous times, including before he was even elected.
Remember, the Campbell campaigned on even handed middle of the road government, on openness and truthful government. When asked about corporate tax cuts and government cuts he refused to answer, but his party faithful and current members of the legislature told us this wouldn't happen. But right after they were elected, a large corporate tax cut. Healthcare contracts ripped up. BC rail sold. Government cutbacks.
Of course, Campbell had learned from the previous election that if he told the truth, he wouldn't get elected. So either he lied, or he had his people lie for him. He learned his lesson well, and has been lying about various unpopular policies ever since, treating the people of BC like idiots, fools and children. It needs to stop.
It doesn't matter to me how well the province runs (and I don't believe its doing well at all unless your filthy rich) my problem is, British Columbians cannot trust Campbell or any of his party. He cannot be trusted to do what he says, or do what the people of BC want.
What it all boils down to is we cannot have someone in power who can not be trusted. Gordon Campbell CAN NOT BE TRUSTED.
A person who lies or dissembles, a person who says one thing and then does another is DISHONEST. RECALL them ALL. The other Liberal MLA's follow Campbell, and they know what he is. They are just as guilty. RECALL them ALL.
A bit late to the party but...
For me, its not the tax itself but the fact that we have a person in charge of British Columbia who has at best mislead the people numerous times, or at worst is plainly dishonest and has lied to the people numerous times, including before he was even elected.
Remember, the Campbell campaigned on even handed middle of the road government, on openness and truthful government. When asked about corporate tax cuts and government cuts he refused to answer, but his party faithful and current members of the legislature told us this wouldn't happen. But right after they were elected, a large corporate tax cut. Healthcare contracts ripped up. BC rail sold. Government cutbacks.
Of course, Campbell had learned from the previous election that if he told the truth, he wouldn't get elected. So either he lied, or he had his people lie for him. He learned his lesson well, and has been lying about various unpopular policies ever since, treating the people of BC like idiots, fools and children. It needs to stop.
It doesn't matter to me how well the province runs (and I don't believe its doing well at all unless your filthy rich) What matters is we have a dishonest person and people running our government. We cannot trust them to do right by us over any issue.
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