Wednesday, December 5, 2012

What Shipbuilding Jobs, and When? Evergreen line, Surrey memorial hospital, Where have we seen this play before?

The Below has been presented by yours truly, right now we are in the midsts of a propaganda war, even the BC Government California jobs fair is a fraud, to all you mainstream media, ask the BC Government how many people were hired at this jobs fair, or perhaps ask if these jobs are contingent upon a bunch of LNG plants opening, and proposed mines, ask some hard questions, and if you gutless media really had any balls you would ask Stephen Harper about what`s laid out below..

Nevermind cowards..



 Irving Shipbuilding presses Ottawa on Arctic ship deal


Michael MacDonald

The Canadian Press

HALIFAX —The president of Irving Shipbuilding Inc. is applying pressure on Ottawa to sign a contract on design work for eight new Arctic patrol ships.

Steve Durrell said Friday unless the contract is signed and engineering work begins by January, the company’s Halifax Shipyard will have a tough time meeting its goal of cutting the first steel for the project in 2015.

“We’ll be looking at this day by day,” he said. “If it gets delayed a month, it will delay the program a month.”

Durrell set the deadline during a briefing that marked one year since the federal government awarded the shipyard a $25-billion contract to build 21 combat vessels over 30 years.

“We are definitely not waiting to get started,” he said. “We are doing everything we can to advance the timetables and begin building vessels for Canada as quickly as possible.”

The company is still negotiating two contracts with Ottawa — one for design work and the other for the actual construction of the patrol ships.

Durrell repeated his company’s promise to have the first patrol vessel built by 2018, which is already three years behind the original schedule.

The ships, first announced in 2007, were projected to cost $3.1 billion to build and $4.3 billion to maintain over their expected 25-year life cycle. Durrell declined to say whether he thinks the costs would rise in the years to come.

The business executive, speaking to reporters at the sprawling shipyard on the Halifax waterfront, also made a pitch to Ottawa concerning the maintenance contract, which has yet to be awarded.
Earlier this week, documents obtained by The Canadian Press revealed the patrol ships will cost more to maintain because National Defence won’t be signing a long-term service contract until the ships are well into construction.

An internal briefing to former associate defence minister Julian Fantino last fall said the project was full of financial questions, starting with the actual cost of building up to eight warships.
Durrell said the final costs have yet to be negotiated. He said the cost of design work will be revealed early next year, but the cost of construction won’t be known until 

And from a story appearing on the front page of the Vancouver Sun, a continuation of pumping up the BC Liberal Government, pumping up jobs that aren`t there, a coordinated effort aligned with the bloated $30 million dollar jobs ad campaign


B.C.'s shipbuilding industry set to grow by 3,000 jobs and billions by 2020

There are currently 4,627 jobs in B.C., representing those directly employed in shipbuilding and repair, plus those working in the metal plate and fabrication industry, largely dependent on shipbuilding work.

Employment is predicted to increase to 6,883, representing direct and indirect workers, by 2016, and move to 7,605 by 2020, the report said.

Seaspan Marine Corp. won the opportunity in 2011 to negotiate construction of $8 billion worth of large non-combat federal ships. This work is part of the $35-billion federal National Shipbuilding and Procurement Strategy. Seaspan owns Victoria  Shipyards, which operates at the Esquimalt Graving Dock, as well as Vancouver Shipyards. Initial work on the federal vessels will be carried out in Vancouver and they will be completed and taken out on trials from Esquimalt.

Construction of the first ships is expected to start late in 2013. Work will carry on for at least a decade.

Shipbuilding and repair is predicted to generate $10 billion in B.C.’s economy by 2010, the report said.

Let me be perfectly clear, I`m not against jobs but there is something terribly wrong here, Gordon Campbell and these wretched BC Liberals promised the Evergreen line every year and full-on promotion of the Evergreen line in 2005 election period and again in 2009, in fact Kevin Falcon in 2009 promised construction would start no later than the Fall of 2010, we are almost in 2013 and no shovels in the ground yet..
Surrey memorial hospital, same thing, it was promised during the 2005 election writ period with completion no later that 2009, again construction of the badly needed new Surrey Memorial hospital was hyped in the 2009 election, it still ain`t finished. looks like Gordon Campbell and Stephen treason Harper use the same playbook..
I know many of you have short memories, remember the last Federal election, you know, the one in Spring 2011, remember all the hype about shipbuilding contracts, I do, ..
And who could forget Christy Clark having a Seaspan Orgasim when these shipbuilding contracts were awarded by the Feds, 1 deal for the Irving shipyard and 1 for Seaspan, from coast to coast, Christy was peaking because she was desperate for a good news story, she pretended the BC Liberal Government actually assisted Seaspan in winning the contract, when in fact it was the BC NDP that made the phone calls and assisted Seaspan, Hansard will indeed reveal those facts..

However, do you see the highlighted part from the Vancouver Sun story, here it is again..

"Seaspan Marine Corp. won the opportunity in 2011 to negotiate construction of $8 billion worth of large non-combat federal ships."
What`s up with that, you mean Seaspan only was granted an opportunity to negotiate?
And what about this next part ...

"Construction of the first ships is expected to start late in 2013. Work will carry on for at least a decade."
Here we had Stephen way back when promoting these ships, it was a big vote getter in our Spring 2011 Federal election, and yet the announcement of Seaspan and Irving Shipyards winning "a chance to negotiate contracts" didn`t take place until the Fall of 2011...
As you can see, the Irving Shipyard has been stalled, delayed and it appears that steel isn`t even being cut until 2015...
Oh perhaps you think I`m being picky, well, ....
What would you say if I told you this Federal shipbuilding carrot has been dangled since 2006?...And at the bottom of this post, a link to Harper`s shipbuilding betrayal in the year 2006...These shipbuilding proposals started then, to soothe the savage marine worker beast..

Arctic Patrol Ship Project

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The Arctic Offshore Patrol Ship Project is a Government of Canada procurement project for the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) that is part of the National Shipbuilding Procurement Strategy.
In July 2007 the federal government announced plans for acquiring 6-8 icebreaking vessels for the RCN.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]

The vessels are to be based on the Norwegian Svalbard class and as of 2007 are projected to cost $3.1 billion CAD to construct with a total project procurement budgeted to cost $4.3 billion in order to cover maintenance over the 25 year lifespan of the vessels.[8]


Project History

In 2006 Prime Minister Stephen Harper had spoken about building three to four icebreakers capable of travelling through thick ice in the Arctic Ocean.[9][10][11] 

 In 2007 it was announced that the Canadian Forces would purchase six to eight patrol ships having a polar class of PC-5, meaning that they were capable of limited ice breaking.[12] 

 This announcement was met with some controversy, and the proposed ships have been called "slush-breakers", by Dr. Gary Stern, a scientist aboard CCGS Amundsen, and Jack Layton of the NDP.[13][14] However, it is notable that of the nineteen Canadian Coast Guard icebreakers currently in service, only six have a polar class higher than PC 5.[15]

In 2010 the Arctic Patrol Ship Project was grouped with several other federal government ship procurement projects for the Royal Canadian Navy and Canadian Coast Guard into the National Shipbuilding Procurement Strategy. The NSPS announced on October 19, 2011 that Irving Shipbuilding would be awarded the $25 billion contract for building six to eight Arctic patrol ships as well as fifteen other warships for the RCN over the next two decades.[16]


The vessels' design was initially intended to incorporate a conventional icebreaking bow for cruising, and would have proceeded backwards for breaking heavy ice. The vessels' stern would have been designed for ice breaking and they would have employed azimuth thrusters for propulsion and for chewing through resistant ice. However, due to cost constraints, a conventional bow-first design was chosen for both light and heavy icebreaking. The propulsion would be provided by diesel-electric twin shafts with bolt on propellers, similar to existing Canadian Coast Guard icebreakers.
The vessels will have a hangar and flight deck capable of employing and maintaining the same maritime helicopters as the RCN's other vessels; the CH-148 Cyclone when it enters service with the Royal Canadian Air Forces (RCAF), as well as the CH-149 Cormorant.[7]
In 2008, a contract was awarded to BMT Fleet Technology and STX Canada Marine to assist in developing technical specifications and a design for the project. The technical specifications were to be used to draft a Request for Proposals. The government later awarded a design contract to BMT Fleet Technology and STX Canada Marine to develop the design of the vessel for issue to the selected NSPS proponent.

October 4, 2007 · 2:10 am

Under banner of ‘expanding free trade’: Destruction of workers’ rights and livelihood in shipbuilding


I guarantee you these same shipbuilding contracts, eer, I mean these winning chances to negotiate shipbuilding contracts will still be in play and used as an election issue in 2015..
The Shipbuilding carrots have been dangled since 2006, it`s almost 2013 and no steel has been cut, remember what else happened in 2006/2007, Harper removed the dis-incentive for Canadian companies who want ships from foreign countries, it was then, at that time when Harper brought up and bandied these shipbuilding deals, that to soothe the angry marine workers, ..We here in BC know all too well, can you say German built ferries, ..As our BC facilities were shuttered, and then Harper removed the foreign vessel import duty, that at the request of Gordon Campbell..
When, where, why, how effing long does it take to start building, thank goodness Harper wasn`t in charge in the 1940`s, we`d all be speaking German and goosestepping.

Read the below linked article , it was this Harper betrayal that made him jump, eer, I mean it was that betrayal that forced Harper to start dangling shipbuilding carrots..
The Straight Goods
Cheers Eyes Wide Open  


Anonymous said...

Awesome, no one puts the pieces together like the straight goods

Mission Teacher said...

I came across a story in the Desert Sun newspaper in Indio California today. It was a job fair hosted by the"Canada California Business Council".It stated that their were 40,000 jobs "unfilled" in B.C .due to a lack of skilled workers and a booming economy.It strangely touted how cheap U.B.C. was compared to California Universities. Wow ,if they only knew the truth about the economy here and how we actually treat foreign workers.Check it out Grant and let give us your take."Mission Teacher"

North Van's Grumps said...

Speaking from the experience of living/working on the North Shore of Burrard Inlet, during the heady days of the Federal Government wanting to reinforce it's ownership of the OUR Great white north....the building of a $500 million, Canadian Coast Guard, Polar 8 Icebreaker, was awarded to Versatile Pacific Shipyards and ... Quebec was given a matching $500 million to build IceBergs! via Equalization payments that are still being paid today.

The contract was cancelled!

Anyone want to bet the Feds will do it again?

Anonymous said...

Grant, I ran across and article in the Desert Sun newspaper out of the Palm Springs area.The article was entitled "Job Seekers Look To Canada".The job fair was sponsored by the "Canada California Business Council". It stated that due to a lack of skilled workers and a booming economy 40,000 job openings are available in B.C. They also strangely stated how much cheaper U.B.C. was than California universities are. Weird!Who's zoomin who ? Do I smell a Hockstein ?

Grant G said...

The jobs fair is a scam, CTV news tonight had highlights of said jobs fair, no mention of any hires.

What we are witnessing is a massive propaganda ruse..

My post yesterday about Petronas, even Petronas admits peak construction jobs IF they built a massively large LNG freezer was 3500 jobs, after construction jobs 200..

Petronas isn`t building anything, either is Apache..

This jobs fair...It smells like Enbridge and Harper, and by extension, BC Liberals..

Palmer`s column tonight, about Chrity Clark`s problem with women, yet it states(Through subtle messaging) how BC`s economy is booming on several occasions..

Now that`s funny, we are running multi-$billion dollar deficits, this year, next year, last month we lost over 16,000 jobs, that according to Statistics Canada, ..

I`ll bet dollars to doughnuts the next release of the jobs numbers(this week) we`ll have lost even more jobs..

Our unemployment numbers are nearly 8%..

Yea, something is very fishy..

We might be on the verge of a red-tape holiday, Harper might be preparing to open the floodgates and allow anything and everything.

And this jobs fair has the Chinese free-trade agreement written all over it.FIPPA..

Might be time to ammo up..

Red Dawn North..

And the enemy may well be the Canadian army, a Canadian army protecting Chinese investments,protecting Chinese investors and protecting the building of their investments.

Time to go to ground..

PAB Canada is very active, feathers ruffled.

Gotta go

Anonymous said...

It's ok NW 's news starts with how thr Fraser Institute rates Crusty our dinosaur premier as number 4. Talk about shilling for the lieberals especially when other stories are barely mentioned.

Grant G said...

The game is afoot, propaganda, spin, lies, like I said, the election period for the corrupt Liberals is full-on..

And guess what, $100 million dollar ad campaign is out of your tax dollars.

Fraser institute..Sheesh

Anonymous said...

Harper and his Cons. The Campbell/Clark BC Liberals, have yet to say, one word that isn't a lie. They haven't kept one promise they made. They are all one, and the same party. Their plot all along was, to sell Canada out to Red China and the U.S.

Canada scraped to the bottom of the gutter, when all those scum of the earth, got into office. All of them had to cheat, to win their elections.

How Canadians can be so dumb to think, any of the resource jobs are for our people? Beats the hell out of me.

Campbell sold BC out to Red China, long, long ago. The Chinese had to learn, 100 English words, so they could take BC's mining jobs. Campbell shipped our mills to China, along with our raw logs. The HST wasn't on Campbell's radar, the BCR wasn't for sale either.

There may well be, thousands and thousands of jobs in Canada...however, those jobs are not for Canadians. We all know, who those jobs are really for.

Anonymous said...

I dunno, I'm just saying that at one time we didn't have to compete with foreign nationals for our way of life and our very existence.
Bring em in, and you get much more aggressive elements who have lived in a much less forgiving environment. They bring that to Canada courtesy of trudueovian horse shit about how the world should be flat politically. It isn't.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, Fraser institute and now the CBC fronting/publishing for them. CBC used to be okay but now they are composed of a bunch of minor intellectual bullshit artists focused on keeping their jobs and serving the outside interests which control them. And that is putting it as nicely as possible.

Hugh said...

The 2006 TILMA between BC and Alberta was supposed to result in 78,000 new jobs.

Now the CETA between Canada and the EU is supposed to result in 80,000 new jobs, so they say.

New agreement, same old B.S.

Hugh said...

Interesting CBC radio this morning.