tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post5261281523120739273..comments2024-01-08T21:00:24.932-08:00Comments on The Straight Goods: HST Can`t Save Mill......What were you saying Pat Bell?Grant Ghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11944976348166120530noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-27834245591801736062010-08-08T13:57:29.345-07:002010-08-08T13:57:29.345-07:00Bill says:
Henri Paul @8:35
Before I go wi...Bill says:<br /><br /> Henri Paul @8:35<br /><br /> Before I go with that Broad etc.etc.<br /> I will go with Gordon"The devil I know"<br /> Are you out of your Mother loving mind???<br /> You are as mental as Campell....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-66974196924375804232010-08-05T11:47:10.557-07:002010-08-05T11:47:10.557-07:00Grant said, since the HST 2 more mills have closed...Grant said, since the HST 2 more mills have closed and now a finger joint plant is closing (No, not that type of joint, wood joints).....<br />----------------------------------------------<br />Add one more to the list , a friend of mine told me a value added post and rail mill shut down last week in Princeton.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-28087025392982419222010-07-31T12:10:51.993-07:002010-07-31T12:10:51.993-07:00The catalyst mill in, Campbell River is being shut...The catalyst mill in, Campbell River is being shut down. So, another mill will open in China. That lay off is, 100 workers, losing their jobs. Cheap labor, and, more cheap, child laborers win again. BC is becoming an empty shell, there is very little left. The BC Rail, was very profitable. Campbell thieved, our asset and sold the BCR, to benefit himself and his business friends. Campbell, sold our rivers out privately, to more of his friends. Campbell steals, everything he lays his hands on, selling us out to the USA and China. Campbell, also had stolen, our tax dollars to give himself, a totally undeserved 53% wage hike, and his Ministers, 29% increase, many of them are corrupt. Some of the ministers had to resign, however, Campbell is the worst criminal, but he gets to stay on, to completely destroy this province. He forces, his ugly self, on citizens who despise him, and everything he stands for. So, I agree with, voting for an Independent. The NDP, have been, mostly silent, perhaps they are sitting back, and allowing Campbell, to cut his own throat. As far as the Vancouver newspapers, I quit buying them, quite some time back. It is obvious, they are controlled by Campbell, so there is no honest journalism, so it is pointless, to buy them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-15355903359714457002010-07-20T08:53:27.572-07:002010-07-20T08:53:27.572-07:00It's been said, Campbell is actually a Conserv...It's been said, Campbell is actually a Conservative, flying under a Liberal flag. Campbell and Harper have a very close relationship. While Campbell is busy selling, BC to China. It seems, Harper is proud to be a part of, expanding the rail yard at Ashcroft, BC, to make easier access for China, to move their junk across Canada. Any goods made in China, are so poorly made, I refuse to buy. I also will not promote child labor. I buy nothing, that has the HST applied. So far I have missed none of it. Even if Campbell falls, I would never support any of his ministers. They have been tainted by Campbell. How many BC Liberal ministers, have been under investigation now? I have lost count.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-27149804975142783692010-07-13T09:16:05.171-07:002010-07-13T09:16:05.171-07:00If the ancestors that fought and died for our free...If the ancestors that fought and died for our freedom came back today...the Campbell government would be scourged. A few of us might be as well for not paying attention to the state of our government, and acting accordingly.IMHO.Leahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-31231096880767856762010-07-13T01:07:35.208-07:002010-07-13T01:07:35.208-07:00Leah
The way I feel about our political system, t...Leah<br /><br />The way I feel about our political system, the only qualification I am looking for in a independent candidate is that they are still breathing. Our system of governance has deteriorated to such a point that the only remedy is to blow it up and start over. That will never happen as long as the political parties and their puppeteers have a say.<br /><br />If our ancestors that fought for our freedoms could have forseen what their efforts have yielded, they may have chosen another path.<br /><br />CamCrankypantsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-17363246823391477132010-07-12T11:17:55.144-07:002010-07-12T11:17:55.144-07:00Cam...excellent analysis. I'll be looking for ...Cam...excellent analysis. I'll be looking for the independent here in Kamloops if there is one...and do whatever I can to help them attain office if they're worth of it.Leahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-8566424395451054792010-07-12T02:12:54.580-07:002010-07-12T02:12:54.580-07:00Let's face it, no political party will ever of...Let's face it, no political party will ever offer us democracy, just their version of a dictatorship. Those that espouse a form of proportional representation still solve nothing. Each party that has a member elected will be constrained to vote as their party demands or be banished to the sidelines.<br /><br />It is time to choose independent candidates whenever and wherever possible. Only then can we expect to hold our representatives responsible. Only then can we demand that they do the bidding of those that brought them to power.<br /><br />At present, we are nothing more than a toothless person who gets to choose which steakhouse to dine in when, in reality, he cannot enjoy any steak offered on the menu.<br /><br />This is the reality that we live under and there is no incentive for those in power to change the system. That is up to us.<br /><br />CamCrankypantsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-3154984220851196572010-07-11T10:57:51.533-07:002010-07-11T10:57:51.533-07:00cherylb said...July 11, 2010 8:35 AM
I don't...cherylb said...July 11, 2010 8:35 AM <br />I don't agree Henri Paul.<br />-------------------------------------------<br />Ive supported this (NDP) party for a long time.<br />But my loyalty to this spineless bunch evaporated when their fearless leader recommend gender profiling against male candidates a few years back, and what did the party do in regards to this gender profiling? They did nothing they smiled and curtsied Carol the Queen of the NDP. <br />If no alternate party has any hope of forming at least a good opposition in the next election, before I vote for that broad I will go with Gordon,"better the devil you know, than the one you don't know'. <br /><br />Henri PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-29938263168469031882010-07-11T08:35:00.049-07:002010-07-11T08:35:00.049-07:00I don't agree Henri Paul. The NDP has not been...I don't agree Henri Paul. The NDP has not been sitting back on their asses watching. They hammered the Libs for months on the HST in the House and most of the MLAs have been out there pounding the pavement for signatures. What else would you have them do before you gave them any credit for helping in this fight? They have no more power to stop these morons than we do.cherylbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-62855787203572636082010-07-11T00:46:04.925-07:002010-07-11T00:46:04.925-07:00So you advocate corporations able to pay their sha...So you advocate corporations able to pay their shareholders handsome dividends, and their CEO's obscene pay packages be allowed to walk away from paying their fair share of taxes because we might lose them to countries paying their workers 2 or 3 dollars an hour? (If that)<br /><br />Perhaps it's time to stop allowing them to play both ends against the middle. We've already been socked with paying their share of HST - that's enough. Either they do business and be responsible to the municipalities they operate in, or they can move to China where all our raw logs and cants are going anyway. It's also time for us to stop that crap and put our own people to work. Enough is enough.Quibblernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-91457704823995588572010-07-10T21:11:58.933-07:002010-07-10T21:11:58.933-07:00Well, when a company can make more, or lose less, ...Well, when a company can make more, or lose less, by shutting down one of their mills than they can running it, that should be a wake up call.<br />The wages and taxes have to leave enough for profit and shareholder value to complete the picture. Can't have a company like that trading at 14 cents a share.<br />When workers can't make a living they move on. When government can't make ends meet they raise taxes. When companies can't make money they shut down or move.<br />The unions and government would do well to ensure the mills in the other 3 Catalyst towns become a bit more viable. If they don't want the jobs and industry there seem to be countries who do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-71040893872228116412010-07-10T19:06:58.452-07:002010-07-10T19:06:58.452-07:00Anonymous said... July 10, 2010 8:16 AM
At this p...Anonymous said... July 10, 2010 8:16 AM <br />At this point, the NDP just has to sit back and watch Gordo and his crew self destruct. <br />------------------------------------------------<br /> Sit back, thats all the NDP have been doing under James, sitting on their asses watching, additionally all drawing a nice large salary. particularly James. <br />Therein lies the motivation problem , if they were earning in accordance to what they have accomplished,which is little, they would have some incentive to strive ahead, but their bellies are overfull, their bank accounts swelling and a plump pension waiting.<br /> So why rock the boat?<br /><br />Henri PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-47613409463515869442010-07-10T16:10:36.092-07:002010-07-10T16:10:36.092-07:00Parzone,
Those are the facts, all right: the New...Parzone, <br /><br />Those are the facts, all right: the New Democrat Opposition doesn't come across in the news we're allowed to see. <br /><br />God knows, the Opposition can't seem to get their messages out. We're not even sure the BC NDP has a message. <br /><br />But there are clues piled upon clues, telling us that there's an agreed media tactic of ignorning news which might reflect poorly upon their chosen leader, the Gordo. <br /><br />I'm not defending or promoting any political party. I think the whole notion of partisan politics is a chump's game which simply keeps citizens distracted as they squabble amongst themselves. <br /><br />But it sure would be nice if the BC Media would be something more than stenographers taking their dictation from Gordo's Public Affairs Bureau. Which surely doesn't include much on-camera time for the NDP Opposition.BC Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-48280196856309115932010-07-10T11:11:40.097-07:002010-07-10T11:11:40.097-07:00Hi Grant,
jaydee
I watched Carole James in that...Hi Grant,<br /><br />jaydee <br /><br />I watched Carole James in that news story also and wondered what else she might have said on the subject.<br /><br />Did James do that interview for longer than those short two sentences?<br /><br />Of course she did, the reporter did not ask one question, receive a two-sentence answer and walk away.<br /><br />That’s been the problem for many years now… how the news is presented to the public.<br /><br />IF the opposition is included in a story (which is not all that often) then we the public get one or two sentences chosen by the editors.<br /><br />When the NDP have a new leader and time passes, we will be asking the same questions…….<br /><br />Where is the leader of the NDP?<br /><br />Doesn’t the leader of the NDP come across ineffective?<br /><br />Why isn’t the leader of the opposition saying something about this?<br /><br />I wish we had a stronger leader of the NDP.<br /><br />The media/PAB write the scripts as we have witnessed before the landslide 2001 election and every election there after.<br /><br />Not to mention the nightly brainwashing, one news story at a time.<br /><br />Having said that, I feel the NDP are a BIG SLUG right now and need to find a way to communicate better.Parzonenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-39502831006531909262010-07-10T08:16:49.681-07:002010-07-10T08:16:49.681-07:00At this point, the NDP just has to sit back and wa...At this point, the NDP just has to sit back and watch Gordo and his crew self destruct.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-44819291605422914642010-07-10T07:53:30.694-07:002010-07-10T07:53:30.694-07:00BC has approx 55billion in future P3 contractual o...BC has approx 55billion in future P3 contractual obligations. Glorified accounting practices and presto, your total provincial debt is much much lower on paper.<br /><br />Advantage, continued political support from the public.<br /><br />Oh to live in a bubble....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-22356005755894076192010-07-10T02:13:55.773-07:002010-07-10T02:13:55.773-07:00Leah, Henri, I agree there is something really wro...Leah, Henri, I agree there is something really wrong with the NDP, the 'worst opposition in the history of B.C.'. In the late BS news on CTV James had her big chance at some media attention to respond to BCL's huge (understated) cost of His games and she responded by first gushing about how wonderful the games were and then some dumb-ass comment about the costs. After too many months of silence this is the best James can do?<br />Looking for an Independent, looking for an independent......jaydeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13897581398617875658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-44867390800302242582010-07-09T19:32:25.431-07:002010-07-09T19:32:25.431-07:00Grant - I don't get all of this debt stuff.
Va...Grant - I don't get all of this debt stuff.<br />Vander Zalm says the debt was the same when he assumed the premier's office at $17 billion as when he resigned from it.<br /><br />Then the NDP takes over with a $17 billion debt and when the NDP leaves office 10 years later in 2001 the debt is $34 billion. Isn't that a doubling of the debt?<br /><br />And when the LIEberals take over the debt is $34 billion and today, 10 years later, the debt is $42 billion. Shouldn't the debt be $68 billion for the LIEberals to double it in the same time frame? <br /><br />Are the LIEberals cooking the books aided by the PAB/MSM media stooge spin?<br /><br />The problem is that everyone reads that Vonny Palmer crap and believes it. How do we overcome these media stooges preaching to the masses to get out the truth?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-61161342053060319072010-07-09T19:00:46.816-07:002010-07-09T19:00:46.816-07:00Anon @ 12:17 - Who actually takes anything Vaughn ...Anon @ 12:17 - Who actually takes anything Vaughn Palmer, Gordon Campbell's PR stooge writes seriously? - I wasn't referring to the phoney budget figures that he is touting. (Also I don't accept your doubling of the debt for the NDP time in power - that's kinda funny with balanced budgets, wouldn't you think?) I could send you a subscription to Watchtower AND the National Enquirer, tho the latter probably has more facts than Vaughn Palmer has ever spouted. <br /><br />The Billions I'm talking about and you can spin them anyway you want and say they aren't BC debt, but WE the citizens and rate payers will be picking up the tab for the 70 Billion dollars or so (so far) of IPP contracts for power that will be sold by necessity at a loss. (purchase at 12.6 cents per KWH and sell for about .5 per KWH on the Columbia grid a couple weeks ago. <br /><br />The bail outs for so called private BC Ferries, not to mention the public debt assumed there. Then there is the subsidized debt for GIVING BC Rail away. <br /><br />I haven't even started to mention the various P3's that will be money machines for friends of government but financial drains on the rest of us. <br /><br />How can you trust anything Colin Hansen sez or that Vaughn Palmer echoes? According to Colin who insisted for years that the Owelympics would only be $600,000,000 even he now admits to just under 1 Billion. But everybody knows that security alone was 1 Billion and Colin's figures don't include the Athlete's Village, the Convention Centre (over budget so much it makes the Fast Ferries look free), the Sea to Die Hwy, the RAV Line and sooooo much more. <br /><br />Just stay there in the basement of the Ledge monitoring real people and don't show your face, people's anger is just warming up now!kootcoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11344208424209840730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-45365291312428194242010-07-09T18:00:40.234-07:002010-07-09T18:00:40.234-07:00Leah Im of the same mindset as you.
What do you s...Leah Im of the same mindset as you.<br /> What do you suggest that we do to resolve this situation.<br />In my riding the MLA and MP are NDP,even though I voted for them both in previous elections, it's unlikely to happen in the next election, and most definitely no Liberals either provincial or federal.<br />Henri PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-1649452668094939652010-07-09T17:41:05.755-07:002010-07-09T17:41:05.755-07:00"...Have you ever consider the possibility th..."...Have you ever consider the possibility that, the BC Liberals and BC NDP may somehow be interconnected at the hip?"<br /><br />Yes Henri, I've more than considered it...and after being a long-time NDP supporter, I've had to pull away because of what I <i>See</i>. Not what I think - but what I actually see. One is as bad as the other, and enables their rotten behavior...like a lousy parent gone wrong.Leahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-29225174987034376432010-07-09T17:36:58.838-07:002010-07-09T17:36:58.838-07:00Agreed Grant - there is a HUGE amount of debt not ...Agreed Grant - there is a HUGE amount of debt not even showing on the books as you say...but how do we get those facts out to the masses? <br /><br />Campbell and his media are now taking the gloves off to get their message out - even when it's nothing more than bald-faced lies. How did we ever fall so far in BC?Leahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-48854475294838458772010-07-09T13:13:10.476-07:002010-07-09T13:13:10.476-07:00Forget the spin from Palmer...He`s a stooge...That...Forget the spin from Palmer...He`s a stooge...That debt rise to over $55 billion by 2012...BC Hydro debt...BC fERRY debt is off the books, so are the power purchase agreements.<br /><br />And....Where is the $1 billion for BC Rail...Where is the $600 million BC Ferry`s was sold for?<br /><br />Don`t forget...The NDP didn`t have billions in P3s...<br /><br />Port Mann bridge..Sea to Sky...Abbotsford hospital..Etc etc etc....Oir credit card is full...And don`t forget, Gordon Campbell also scooped $760 million from ICBC!!!!<br /><br />And....What was interest rates in the 90s?....<br /><br />And how much interest are Governments paying today?<br /><br />Maybe %1 percent.....Interest was 10% plus in the 80s....And about 5% for government in the 90s.Grant Ghttp://powellriverpersuader.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2435367521078186829.post-63652024302122370782010-07-09T12:56:14.340-07:002010-07-09T12:56:14.340-07:00Leah said... July 9, 2010 11:17 AM
I have NO do...Leah said... July 9, 2010 11:17 AM <br /><br />I have NO doubt that Campbell or his cronies may well be among those on Fadden's radar, for good reason. Which is why I was so surprised by Jenny Kwan's attack on Fadden! Who is Jenny serving with that attitude?<br />--------------------------------------------<br />Have you ever consider the possibility that, the BC Liberals and BC NDP may somehow be interconnected at the hip?<br />The more it goes ,the more these two parties appear very comfortable with one another..<br />Henri PaulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com